Sunday, January 14, 2007

No Outlet demo

Another post for the Albany folks. Thanks to Carl for providing the track names!

No Outlet was a classic Albany style hardcore ("ASHC" in Capital District parlance) band from the mid- to late-1980s. If you weren't there, you probably never heard of them. Their few releases include this demo and songs on two Albany compilations (see more at Middle Aged Youth's posting of the Albany Style Hardcore 7"). Nate of Gloom Records (and Monster X and a number of other bands) just sent me a live No Outlet show from 1989 (one of their last shows?), so keep your eyes peeled here for that.

I lost my copy of this 1987(?) demo years ago and this replacement copy came with no track list. Carl just sent them in, but be advised that the mp3 files don't have the right song names embedded with them. You'll have to set them yourself on your iTunes or mp3 program. Enjoy.

First Glance
Last Time
Just How It Goes
Push Back/Know Yourself
No Outlet


Anonymous Anonymous said...

No fuckin' Outlet...awesome!

Hey Mike - I just stumbled upon this blog while trying out my new laptop...It's Jay O'Toole answer a question you posted on Middle Aged Youth - the Prank records re-issue is not out yet, so in the meantime, I don't think anyone will care if you post any Life's's not like I ever saw a dime from any of it...

Adam has a bunch of live shows of various bands that only he has...straight from the soundboard into a shoebox which now sits in his basement...he needs to post that stuff...

How's life in NY? I'm considering moving back after gradschool, since the schools are better up there for the kids, but I'm not sold on the idea is starting to suck down here in ATL though...too many goddamned people moving here.



January 14, 2007 10:35 PM  
Blogger Vinyl Head said...

This comment has been removed by the author.

January 15, 2007 10:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Mike - you - or anybody who reads this - can reach me at

January 17, 2007 6:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That last e-mail was from me by the way (Jay)

January 17, 2007 6:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for doing this! Track names from the original demo:

1. First Glance
2. Last Time
3. Just How It Goes
4. Push Back/Know Yourself
5. Abuser
6. Have A Say
7. No Outlet
8. Thanks

I also have our 2nd demo tape & a few live shows too if you're ever interested.

Carl (

February 08, 2007 10:06 AM  
Blogger Brendan said...

I don't want to seem like a complainer here because I'm generally not. My band has played hundreds of gigs and we've gotten along with the other bands 99 percent of the time. One of the few instances that stood out was playing with NO OUTLET.

July 1989 we played a show with NO OUTLET up around Albany and they were a bunch of pricks. (Maybe not the whole band... just the few we had to deal with) VERBAL ASSAULT was suposed to headline and they pulled a bit of a dick move as well. SFA, Born Against, and GO! drove up from NYC to play the show. For all three of us NYC bands, it was our first time playing the Albany area. The deal was we wouldn't be getting paid much more than gas money with the bulk of the money going to VERBAL ASSAULT. That's pretty normal. The headliner that brings the numbers gets the bulk of the money and the openers get to play for the headliner's crowd and expand their fan base to people who might have not otherwise seen them.

VERBAL ASSAULT pulled a dickish move. They had either double booked, gotten invited to a party, or simply didn't want to be there. The show was set to start on time. A good sized crowd was there. VERBAL ASSAULT decided they wanted to play a few hours earlier so they could leave sooner, essentialy fucking all the support bands by taking the money and the crowd early. The promoter allowed it to happen.

The 3 travelling NYC bands that were sharing gear offered to cut their set times and rush on early. Money wasn't important. We just wanted to play quickly while there were still people there... even if we only got to play two or three songs each. We all knew once Verbal Assault played, the crowd would be gone. The promoter was cool with that... until NO OUTLET started bitching.

NO OUTLET started crying to the promoter abut how they had to leave early too. The promoter gave in and NO OUTLET opened before VERBAL ASSAULT and the 3 NYC bands (SFA, BORN AGAINST, and GO!) played, for no money, to the dozen or so cool kids that stayed. It wasn't just that it was fucked uo that the local band screwed over the out of town bands (a big no-no in hardcore my friends) It was that they lied. They didn't have to leave. They were still there all day. That, and they played a full hour long set before VERBAL ASSAULT played. All 3 NYC bands plus NO OUTLET could have played short sets in that time.

I can't count how many times I've seen hardcore bands, including my own, go out of their way to help other bands out. NO OUTLET went out of their way to fuck over three other bands that day.

May 07, 2007 4:02 PM  
Blogger Vinyl Head said...

Hmm. I can't really comment on the politics because I never really knew any of the guys in No Outlet and I don't think my friends set up that show (but I could be wrong). But, even before this post came in, I'd been trying to reconstruct my memory of this show. I'm pretty certain that I must have been there but don't have any solid memories of it. I know I saw VA in Albany, but it might have been an earlier show in 88 or so.

The reason I bring it up is because, whether I was there or not, I'm pretty sure that I did not see SFA or GO!, because I think the first time I saw those bands were at ABC No Rio in the Fall of 89 or 90. I'm hoping that doesn't mean that my friends and I were there but stopped paying attention after Verbal Assault--that doesn't sound like us, since we usually tried to support whoever came up to play, but you never know. By 1989 a lot of my crew felt like we'd had our fill of NYC bands of the "look at my tough posing" ilk, so we might have just thought that SFA and Go! were more NYHC bands of the kind we had grown tired of. Still, it is weird to me that I can't remember this. (The only thing I can think of is that that there were a couple weekends that summer when I opted to go to the Anthrax in Norwalk instead of Albany, depending on the band).

One thing though: I'm pretty sure that at this show that Born Against actually played first, because in the live tape you can hear Marty from No Outlet thanking them for playing a good set. BA's singer, Sam, was from Albany and probably knew No Outlet in some capacity, but I have no idea really how well or if there were any friendships there.

Anyway it is strange. I keep going back and forth in my head between "I was there and don't remember much" and "I was not there."

OK. The Anthrax explanation doesn't hold up, because according to this site,,
the show that was at The Anthrax that day was Sick Of It All, Underdog, Unit Pride, Supertouch, Wide Awake, Within and Inside Out: exactly the kind of bands I was trying to avoid at that point.

The more I think of it, it is possible that this was a show that friends of mine put together and that I don't remember seeing some of the bands because I was trying to help “manage” the show, which none of us were never very good at. Also, we weren’t exactly first-string promoters like Dave Stein who had a lot of experience. I can imagine a scenario in which Verbal Assault told us “we have to leave at X time” and us not knowing what to do about it. No recollection of No Outlet though. Who knows.

That year we set up a Sheer Terror show and almost got beat up by half the band (Paul Bearer and one other band member saved us from the other half of the band). Without our knowing, some other kids booked a show the same day with Token Entry and some others. Since Albany was more a skate/straight-edge scene, that siphoned off a lot kids from our show and we only had $180 of the $300 we promised Sheer Terror (this was AFTER we all emptied our pockets of whatever we had to try to pay them). Paul was cool with it but there was fire in Blake’s eyes.

May 08, 2007 7:51 AM  
Anonymous Dangerous Knowledge said...

The show Brendan is describing sounds like one that was at F.O.E. in Schenectady around 88 or 89. There were no shows in Albany proper during that time frame. I think BA did play ahead of VA and NO, too. I remember SFA and Go being on the bill but not seeing either of them play. Not too sure how it all went down with regards to who played when and why but No Outlet wasn't the sort of band that would screw anyone over. At a guess, I'd say it was a just a misunderstanding.

June 30, 2007 3:09 PM  
Blogger Vinyl Head said...

If F.O.E. is Fraternal Order of the Eagles then, yes, you are correct. I definitely remember that this was the venue but am foggier on who put the show together (a lot of things were foggy for me in those days, even the bedrooms in which we organized those shows).

I'm inclined to agree in that in my recollection, the N.O. crew were not the type to dick people over. Who knows.

July 16, 2007 10:56 AM  
Anonymous J. O'Toole said...

Well Marty did lead No Outlet on an incursion into Cambodia which left a bloody path of hundreds of burned villages, but other than that, a good bunch of guys.

January 10, 2008 12:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey all

Wanted Noise-punk,no wave,industrial-punk shows,see my list at

March 30, 2008 2:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Marty was kinda smug.I cold definitely see him pulling some power play like that.

March 16, 2011 10:18 PM  
Blogger gloom666 said...

Said Anonymous....
Marty was a nice dude. I was at this show, and Born Against def played first. Chris Randolf set up the Show. It was his decision to have No Outlet play right before Verbal Assault.

June 28, 2011 8:35 PM  
Blogger Scott Wy said...

Grew up with Eagles Lodge show promoter Chris Randolph. Anybody have photos from ANY Eagles Lodge shows? Thanks.

July 29, 2013 5:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Above Carl mentioned having the 2nd No Outlet Demo available somewhere. Does anyone have a copy? I would really love to have that.


December 25, 2013 2:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I set up this show with Damon and Nick. I remember VA having to leave early because they were recording and needed to get back. They also played at Damon's house the night before which was cool of them. The only bands we ever had troubles with was Integrity - who ripped us off (and the other bands) for a bunch of money for fake car repairs and Sheer Terror because I thought I was dead when no no one showed up but Buddy George hid me in his car and calmed things down. I was just scared because of their reputation, I don't think they would have actually went all Goodfellas on us. I don't know about the No Outlet stuff, but they played a bunch of times for free and Marty and crew always helped out before and after the shows. Any way I'm sorry that you thought it was rude, we were like 15 or 16 years old and honestly thought we were doing the right thing. Sorry if it didn't feel that way or we came off as pricks.

Chris Randolph

April 20, 2015 8:14 PM  

Post a Comment

<< Home